Building more roads palliatives Penang people are too car a (Friendly people)
At 23:01 on December 13th 2011Penang transportation planning, has been subjected to people concerned about the issue "friendship" and Caoguan You invited the transportation planning consultant 戴夫特尼尔 (Dave Turner) to Penang traffic pulse.
Monorail, water taxi feasibility tall, most recently, "ram" the tunnel project, how to implement? And interviews to explore this issue and opt for the relationship you care about me, go out every day are required to face.
Transportation Master Plan with the recommendations of Penang, Penang government has with the consulting firm formed by three consultants contracted to conduct seminars, these three companies are responsible for the AJC's land planning, transportation planning and infrastructure expertise of Halcrow Halcrow , and is responsible for water taxis and ferry terminals in Singapore industry SCC.The study from April 1, 2011 onwards, to March 31, 2012, to complete the report and begin the implementation of relevant recommendations.
戴夫特尼尔 to Halcrow's transport planning consultants, Caoguan You "catch" the opportunity, they talk about "traffic through" conversations from time to time around the two spindles, one, Penang public transport to be improved, second, the people of Penang need to change the mentality.
Yes, Caoguan You mentioned Penang alarming number of private cars and motorcycles, this is not building more roads can be solved, Penang needs is better transportation planning.
Cao: Caoguan You wear: 戴夫特尼尔
Convenient to ensure the future
Cao: In the past 30 years, Penang has conducted many studies on traffic, why do we need a blueprint for traffic in Penang?
Wear: for the government, the incumbent state government to promote to promote public transport. I think the important thing is we want to ensure that the next 20 years, Penang's public transport for people both in work and leisure, are very convenient.
Impact of planned capital
Cao: During the study you read in the last study, there are a number of recommendations which have been implemented or implemented?
Dai: I regret that, not many proposals were accepted, I think one main reason is financial problems.Study of the post, no matter on what the proposals should be within the capacity of the capital plan can be implemented. This Master Plan and the past is somewhat different, we do not emphasize hardware devices such as road construction, but in the macro to look at the overall traffic problem in Penang. But the most important thing is to have working capital, on the development of such feedback can we try to improve transport gold.
Hard to change people's thinking
Cao: With your experience and observation, the daily traffic flow of Penang what forms? What is the most difficult problems?
Dai: Although fast pass service three years in Penang, and Penang George Town city government also provides free bus service (CAT) and Wei Province to the Penang Free Industrial Zone bus service (BEST), these services are good But the problem is too much car of Penang. Coupled with the government gasoline subsidies, resulting in difficult to change people's thinking to use public transport. Second, the motorcycle is one of Penang's transport motorcycles accounted for 35% to 45%.
Advanced cities face traffic problems
Cao: Which cities are facing the same traffic problems and the Penang? Whether they have to find a solution?
Wear: Comparison of different Penang. In fact, the advanced European countries, cities such as London, New York also face traffic problems,
The face of how to encourage and persuade people to use public transport. But their advantage is that there are sufficient funds to enhance better public transport facilities. The development of cities like Penang, there is no such funding, only the implementation of bus lanes or light rail. Many cities are also conducting traffic studies, but no funds to implement the proposed scheme.
Penang face several bottlenecks have to set up a database to find solutions
Cao: According to a survey conducted by Halcrow and research, what program can instantly solve Penang's traffic congestion problem?
Dai: Penang a few traffic bottlenecks, such as Motor City, coming from the north-south road junction, as well as floating Luoshan back and tail ridge road junction, these are the lack of transfer traffic light junctions. We need to establish a data collection database to record all occurred
Car accident locations, causes and the incident involving transport, and a provincial Council, Penang Island and the prestige of the discussion group set up to root of the problem and seek solutions.
Encourage the use of public transport to reduce private car dependency
Cao: Penang State Government continues to promote the "moving people without moving the car" (moving people not cars) concept, you think how high it feasible? In particular, the people here too you say car, the Penang State Government to achieve this objective?
Dai: The most critical issue is to change people's thinking in Penang, to convince people to use public transport, and one of the program is to provide a comprehensive public transport. However, I suspect, if we provide the world's best public transport, is not someone to give up the use of private cars, which requires a set of strategies, such as limiting the George Town city area parking spaces, to encourage people to use public transport. As some cities impose tolls, but many cities do not, this is a hot potato. Another problem is the government's fuel subsidies resulting in people's dependence on private cars, if you can give this allowance instead of public transport, then I think there will be very different. Government subsidies are necessary, just look at what benefits the project. Grants and people like to share the wealth of nations.
Cao: This is the idea of politicians and consultants the difference lies.
Streets full of historic character is not like the development of road capital
Cao: the rapid development in the case of Penang, to continue the construction of the road model feasible? Here the main means of transport or private car-based (cars and motorcycles), Georgetown limited space can load this traffic?
Dai: Yes, Penang has developed rapidly, the population in the next 20 years will increase by 50%, if we do nothing, the road system certainly can not cope. We must be clear on what to do, we want to increase the traffic or the road to a balanced transportation network. Unlike Kuala Lumpur, Penang, Kuala Lumpur in the last 20 or 30 years are biased in favor of toll road development, and Penang (George Town) of streets are full of historic character. If you can have a better interface between the sidewalk and equipment, more efficient public transport system network. In George Town city center, well served by public transport is more efficient transport, road construction in the city center and can not help.
North-south light rail line set convergence works
Cao: Penang monorail project also talked about, do you think work?
Wear: when you talk about this large-scale public transport system, first you must have a high density of population to support this project off the
Real. LRT in some specific areas may work, but back to square one, we want enough to convince people to use or a public transport integrated transport system. George Town's traffic congestion is still not as bad to force people to use public transport, but in the future, to make public transport become effective, one of the options is to stop road construction, but this is not always the right solution. If you want to implement the light rail, I think I can set convergence in the southern and northern routes. I think we can be in May next year, after completion of the study explore.
Water taxis wait for coastal planning study the feasibility of
Cao: Water transport have the potential to become public transport and tourism products?
Dai: Water taxi is being studied. We have completed a study of the ferry, ferries and major provincial convergence Wei Gu Georgetown
Track area, but so far no two places are also many activities, so the ferry just for sending people to the destination of transport. As for the future potential, then see how we plan cities and coastal development.
Difficult to achieve full bus utilization rate of 40% target Penang
Cao: Traffic Master Plan's main strategy is to take the rate of 40% in 2030, do you think this is achievable goals? Penang bus service you What do you think?
Dai: We must first understand the meaning of the 40% target is. One is the Penang people to use public transport rate of 40%, the other is the center of George Town for 40% of the flow of people using public transport. In fact the whole Penang to get 40% of bus usage is difficult, unless we have a good reward and punishment system, and our goal is the center of George the flow of people.
Harbour Crossing project is still unknown
Cao: tunnel for the recently announced plan, what is your view? This scheme can alleviate the traffic congestion situation?
Wear: Any research is towards a sustainable future, we must think about the future what we want to develop. Penang State Government is very active in development, do not want to miss opportunities. But (CHT) is the right solution, I think we should wait until the traffic in the blueprint released so far. We first tested a series of plans, from small to large road intersection widening, build roads, tunnels, improve public transport, parking, "by, to enhance the transport hub, bus services, policy changes such as increased parking fees, toll fees. Halcrow in the next two to three months to complete the transport strategy, the careful study of the Cross Harbour Tunnel project, while in February next year, after the publication of transport strategy, the public will be able to put forward their views and we will be able to Penang's traffic flow from the line type ", the understanding of future traffic patterns.
Penang second bridge to drive the development of closer links
Cao: Second bridge the existing forms of transport may bring about changes, it increases the traffic flow?
Dai: Yes. North from Kuala Lumpur, Penang, people will enter the second bridge. The second bridge is only two lanes, but the existing Penang
City bridge back and forth, but have three lanes in both directions, it would certainly increase the traffic flow, and further strengthen the ties on both sides of Penang, to foster their development.Penang Bridge will also be added to stimulate the Batu Bay and Bali six worship in the vicinity of the development.
Long-term vision for Penang Transportation Master Plan
Cao: Traffic Master Plan will be the next 10 years, Penang transport policy guidelines, which are immediate measures Penang government should consider?
Dai: Penang Transportation Master Plan for the next 20 years of transportation planning, is a long-term vision. We must be clear that we have to 20 years after the traffic pattern is how to ensure that in the next five years and implement the measures are not the ultimate goal of conflict. If we want is a comprehensive public transport system, it must begin levying tolls, stop road construction. But if we continue to build roads can accept the model, it is towards this development.
■ 一个管交通，一个规划交通，两人共同为槟交通出谋献策。
■ 曹观友与戴夫特尼尔，针对槟州交通规划问题侃侃而谈。
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配合槟州交通大蓝图的建议，槟州政府日前与由三家咨询公司组成的顾问团签约，进行研讨，这三家公司分别是负责土地策划的AJC公司、交通策划与基本设施专才的合乐Halcrow，以及负责水上的士的新加坡渡轮与码头业者SCC。这项研究将从2011年4月1日起，至2012年3月31日，完成报告及开始执行相关的建议。
戴夫特尼尔为Halcrow公司的交通规划咨询顾问，曹观友"逮住"机会，两人大谈"交通经"，谈话当中不时围绕在2个主轴，一、槟公共交通需改善，二、槟人民需改变心态。
没错，曹观友曾提及槟州私人汽车及摩托车数量惊人，这不是增建道路可以解决的，槟城需要的是，更好的交通规划。
曹：曹观友 戴：戴夫特尼尔
确保未来便捷
曹：在过去30年，槟州已进行了许多有关交通的研究，为什么我们还需要一个槟州交通大蓝图？
戴：换政府之后，现任州政府大力推广提倡公共交通。我想，重要的是我们要确保在未来20年，槟州的公共交通可以为人民提供无论是在工作和休闲方面，都非常便捷。
资金影响计划
曹：在你进行研究期间翻阅了过去的研究报告，有没有哪一些建议是已经落实或推行？
戴：很遗憾的，没有多少项建议被接纳，我想其中一个主要原因是资金问题。进行研究的事后，无论提出怎样的建议，都应该是在资金能力范围内可以落实的计划。这次的大蓝图和以往有些不同，我们不强调硬体设备如建路，而是以宏观整体的来看待槟州交通问题。但最重要的还是要有资金运作，就比如我们尝试可以通过发展回馈金来提升交通设施。
难改人民思维
曹：以你的经验和观察，槟城每日的交通流动形式是怎样的？什么是最棘手的问题？
戴：虽然快捷通已在槟城服务3年，而槟州政府也提供乔治市市区免费巴士服务(CAT)和威省至槟城工业区的免费巴士服务(BEST)，这些服务都很好，但问题是槟城人太爱车 了。再加上政府提供汽油津贴，造成我们很难改变人民的思维去使用公共交通。其次，摩托车也是问题之一，槟州的摩托车占了交通工具的35%至45%。
先进城市也面对交通问题
曹：哪一些城市是和槟州面对同样交通问题的？他们是否已找到解决方案？
戴：槟城的情况比较不同。其实欧洲国家的先进城市如伦敦、纽约也同样面对交通问题，
面对如何鼓励和说服人民使用公共交通。但他们的优势是有充足的资金去提升更完善的公共交通设备。而像槟城的发展中城市，则没有这样的资金，只能落实巴士专用道或轻快铁。很多城市也同样在进行交通研究后，却没有资金去推行各项所建议的计划。
槟州面对数瓶颈 须设资料库寻解决方案
曹：根据Halcrow所进行的调查和研究，有什么方案可以即刻解决槟州的交通阻塞问题？
戴：槟州有几个交通瓶颈，如汽车城、从南北大道进来的交接处，还有浮罗山背和垄尾路的交接处，这些交接路口都缺少交通灯。我们有必要设立一个资料收集库，记录所有发生
车祸意外的地点、事发原因和涉及的交通工具，而一个由槟岛和威省市政局成立的小组则探讨问题的根源和寻求解决方案。
鼓励使用公共交通 减少依赖私家车
曹：槟州政府继续推动"移动人而不移动车"(moving people not cars)的概念，你认为这可行度有多高？尤其你说这里的人们太爱车了，槟州政府是否能够达到这目标？
戴：最关键的问题是改变槟城人的思维，说服人们使用公共交通，而其中一个方案就是提 供完善的公共交通。然而，我还是怀疑，要是我们提供了全世界最好的公共交通，是不是有人放弃使用私家车，这需要一套策略，如限制乔治市市区内的停车位，鼓励人们使用公共交通。就像一些城市征收过路费，但并没有很多城市做得到，这是烫手山芋。另一个问题是政府提供的汽油津贴造成人们对私家车的依赖，如果可以把这津贴转而给予公共交通，那我想将有很大的不同。政府提供津贴是有必要的，只是看津贴在什么项目。津贴就像和人民分享国家的财富。
曹：这是政治人物和咨询顾问想法的差别所在。
街道充满历史特色 不能像首都发展大道
曹：以槟州发展迅速的情况，继续兴建公路的模式是否可行？这里主要的交通工具还是私家车为主（汽车和摩托车），乔治市有限的空间是否可以负荷这交通流量？
戴：是的，槟州发展非常迅速，人口在未来20年会增加50%，如果我们什么都不做，公路 系统肯定不能应付。我们必须清楚在做什么，我们要增加公路的车流量抑或是要平衡的交通网络。槟城不像吉隆坡，吉隆坡在过去20、30年都是偏向于收费大道的发展，而槟城（乔治市）的街道则充满历史特色。如果可以有更好的人行道和设备衔接，公共交通系统网络更有效。在乔治市市中心，完善的公共交通是比较有效的交通工具，在市中心建路并不能带来帮助。
设定衔接南北路线 轻快铁行得通
曹：槟城也谈过单轨火车计划，你认为可行吗？
戴：当你谈到这种大型的公共交通系统，首先你必须要有高密度的人口支持这项计划的落
实。轻快铁在一些特定的地区或许行得通，但回到原点，我们要的还是一个足以说服人们使用公共交通的综合性的交通系统。乔治市的交通拥挤情况还不至于糟到迫使人们使用公共交通，但在未来，要使公共交通变得有效，其中一个方案就是停止建路，然而这不尽然是正确的解决方案。如果要落实轻快铁，我想可以设定衔接南部和北部的路线。我想我们可在明年5月，完成研究报告之后探讨一下。
等待沿海地区规划 研究水上的士可行性
曹：水上交通工具是否有潜能成为公共交通和旅游产品？
戴：水上的士是我们正在研究的。我们已完成渡轮的研究，渡轮主要衔接威省和乔治市古
迹区，但目前为止这两个地方都还未见有很多活动，因此渡轮只是载送人们前往目的地的交通工具。至于未来潜能，则看我们如何规划城市及沿海地区的发展。
难达到全槟40%公交使用率目标
曹：交通大蓝图的主要策略是在乘搭率在2030年达到40%，你认为这是可以实现的目标吗？你对槟州的巴士服务有什么看法？
戴：我们要先了解这40%目标的意思是什么。一个是槟州人民对公共交通的使用率为40%，另一个是乔治市市中心的40%人流量使用公共交通。事实上要在全槟取得40%的公交使用率是很难的，除非我们有很好的赏罚制，而我们的目标其实是乔治市中心的人流量。
海底隧道计划仍是未知数
曹：对于近期宣布的海底隧道计划，你有什么看法？这计划能否纾缓交通阻塞情况？
戴：任何研究都是朝向未来持续发展的，我们必须想未来我们要怎样的发展。槟州政府非 常积极于发展，不想要错过发展机会。但这（海底隧道）是否是正确的解决方案，我想我们应该等到交通大蓝图出炉为止。我们要先测试一系列的计划，从小路口到大型道路加宽、增建马路、隧道，提升公共交通、停车"乘、提升交通枢纽、巴士服务，修改政策如调高停车费、过路费等。Halcrow会在未来两三个月，完成交通策略之后，仔细研究海底隧道计划。而在明年2月，交通策略公布之后，公众将可以提出他们的意见。我们将可以从槟城人的交通流动行式"中，了解未来的交通模式。
槟第二大桥 加强联系带动发展
曹：第二大桥可能会对现有的交通形式带来改变，它是否增加交通流量？
戴：会。从吉隆坡北上槟城的人都会进入第二大桥。第二大桥只有两个车道，但现有的槟
城大桥来回两个方向却各有三个车道，这肯定会增加车流量，并且进一步加强槟威两岸的联系，带动发展。槟城大桥也将刺激峇都加湾和峇六拜一带的发展。
槟州交通大蓝图长期愿景
曹：交通大蓝图将会是槟州未来10年的交通政策指南，哪些即时措施是槟政府应考虑的？
戴：槟州交通大蓝图是为未来20年的交通进行规划，是一项长期的愿景。我们必须清楚我 们要20年后的交通模式是怎样的，确保在未来5年所落实推行的措施不和最终目标产生冲突。如果我们要的是一个综合性的公共交通系统，就必须开始征收过路费、停止建路。但如果我们可以接受继续兴建公路的模式，那就朝这方面发展。
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